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Losing Away To Boro And Derby No Disgrace; Merged
Topic Started: Aug 21 2011, 09:17 PM (1,003 Views)
birmingham200
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derby top - won 4 out of 4 and we battered them - they were lucky
boro - lost 1 in 17 and will be contenders this season....mowbray has them aka wba
we were knackered after thursday with 6 players out and no squad i grant you - we dominated until got tired

besides the club would settle for staying up this year...
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birmingham200
Aug 21 2011, 09:17 PM
derby top - won 4 out of 4 and we battered them - they were lucky
boro - lost 1 in 17 and will be contenders this season....mowbray has them aka wba
we were knackered after thursday with 6 players out and no squad i grant you - we dominated until got tired

besides the club would settle for staying up this year...

Why? Errr, also it helps if there are another 40 odd games left.
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What is it with most blues fans, lose away to a good boro team and were going to league 1? It's pathetic. I for one think we WILL be promotion contenders this season.
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Aug 22 2011, 12:03 AM
What is it with most blues fans, lose away to a good boro team and were going to league 1? It's pathetic. I for one think we WILL be promotion contenders this season.

Give em something to moan about!Posted Image
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Aug 21 2011, 11:03 PM
What is it with most blues fans, lose away to a good boro team and were going to league 1? It's pathetic. I for one think we WILL be promotion contenders this season.

Then you are dreaming sir, mid table will be our best IF CH can get more players in. Remember DANN,ZIGIC,JEROME and maybe Ridgewell will be gone and we have no money.
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you reckon promo contenders , wait till we take a 10 point deduction if we go into admin, relegation fodder more like and im an optimist
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I know it was disappointing to lose the way we did to Boro, but I do take positives from the fact we actually attach and dominate games away from home this season. Our squad is a little thread bare, but hopefully CH will get his 2 additional signings and members of the first team return like Gomis.

We have no right to win away games, and we have only played 1 game so far at home and we picked up 3 points. Imagine if we had the same start as Leicester.....!! 2 loses at home, it would be the end of the world for fans on here!.

Keep the faith. I see a really good result coming on Thursday!!
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tommii
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My head says mid-table, possibly play-offs this year. But who knows!! We have played well so far this season and the window shuts in 9 days. There is a possiblity that no one else will be sold and CH brings in 2 more.

Players are slowly coming back from Injury and the squad will become better. It isn't actually that bad a start this season, it looks worse because of our european exploits, meaning we miss games and lag in the league. I am quite confident we will have a good home record this year and we have already shown the capability to take the game to away teams.

A sloppy mistake cost us at Boro and the tide turned in that match.
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baron von bluenose
Aug 22 2011, 07:11 AM
you reckon promo contenders , wait till we take a 10 point deduction if we go into admin, relegation fodder more like and im an optimist

That is my biggest worry. IF we can get another 6+ players in, then I think we might manage a mid-table finish.
However there has to be the possibility of a 10 point hit making survival very difficult for the manager to achieve.
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Stop playing the diplomat.

Mid-table at best, any BPL quality we brought down with us have now gone, or are going.

Being a Blues fan I've always labelled myself an 'eternal optimist'. I'm now finding it harder and harder to be optimistic. :-(
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StraightBackUp
Aug 22 2011, 08:29 AM
Stop playing the diplomat.

Mid-table at best, any BPL quality we brought down with us have now gone, or are going.

Being a Blues fan I've always labelled myself an 'eternal optimist'. I'm now finding it harder and harder to be optimistic. :-(

Maybe you should change your name to MidTableMick?
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curlyminogue
Aug 22 2011, 09:11 AM
StraightBackUp
Aug 22 2011, 08:29 AM
Stop playing the diplomat.

Mid-table at best, any BPL quality we brought down with us have now gone, or are going.

Being a Blues fan I've always labelled myself an 'eternal optimist'. I'm now finding it harder and harder to be optimistic. :-(

Maybe you should change your name to MidTableMick?

I created this user name the first time we went down, and the second. I was right both times.

Can you please advise me how I can change it to 'MidTableMick'? ;)
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curlyminogue
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I thought I was the pessimist round these parts but some of you guys leave me standing. Chaps, the plain fact is that playing on a Thursday night and then again three days later really does take its toll on players- other teams involved in European football invariably fared badly as yesterdays results show.

The fact is we were pretty good against Nacional (and they are no mugs) and to dominate possession at an away ground to the extent we managed against Boro in the first half is also encouraging. Besides whatever lies ahead watching this present Blues side under CH is sooooooo much more enjoyable than the dross the imbecile McLeish served up last season. It really is a bit early in the piece to be carping so let's all get down St Andrews on Thursday and bully our guys into winning.

Yeung out today or sooner.
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raymondox
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It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying
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the transfer window may shut, but we can still take loans and out of contract players after that date. There must be a better forum than this one full of whiners
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Aug 22 2011, 10:23 AM
It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying

Agreed, but those teams didn't have a four and half hour round trip by plane and only getting back to Birmingham at 3.30 am on Friday morning. Add to that the thin squad and the injuries we have we can't be too surprised at the Middlesborough result.
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raymondox
Aug 22 2011, 10:23 AM
It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying

Do did they European flights straight after their game and land a 5 am on friday morning?
Also, do the other teams have the same injury issue as us?
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grumpyoldman100
Aug 22 2011, 09:31 AM
raymondox
Aug 22 2011, 10:23 AM
It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying

Agreed, but those teams didn't have a four and half hour round trip by plane and only getting back to Birmingham at 3.30 am on Friday morning. Add to that the thin squad and the injuries we have we can't be too surprised at the Middlesborough result.

I don't buy this tiredness excuse people keep trotting out

Most teams in the Championship have already played 1 more game than us than, (most have played a league cup game already)

The team may well have not got back till 3.30 Friday, but they would have had the rest of the day off, to recover, then a luxury coach trip up to Middlesbrough on the Saturday and then a relaxing stay in a hotel to continue recovering, all they had to do was be able to last and play a football game for 90 minutes....... nearly 60 hours after arriving back in the UK

How many Blues fans have come back from a 4 hr holiday flight and then gone back into work the next day on a busy production line or any other sort of hard work for an 8 hour day. These tiredness excuses means that players in some cases have probably earned as much in a week as some of the factory workers that pay good money to see 11 players who aren't fit enough to last 90 minutes less than 3 weeks into the season then
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Trueblood
Aug 22 2011, 09:49 AM
grumpyoldman100
Aug 22 2011, 09:31 AM
raymondox
Aug 22 2011, 10:23 AM
It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying

Agreed, but those teams didn't have a four and half hour round trip by plane and only getting back to Birmingham at 3.30 am on Friday morning. Add to that the thin squad and the injuries we have we can't be too surprised at the Middlesborough result.

i don't buy this tiredness excuse people keep trotting out

Most teams in the Championship have already played 1 more game than us than, (most have played a league cup game already)

The team may well have not got back till 3.30 Friday, but they would have had the rest of day off to recover, then a luxury coach trip up to Middlesbrough on the Saturday and then a relaxing stay in a hotel to continue recovering, all they had to do was be able to last and play a football game for 90 minutes....... nearly 60 hours after arriving back in the UK

How many Blues fans have come back from a 4 hr holiday flight and then gone back into work the next day on a busy production line or any other sort of hard work for an 8 hour day. These tiredness excuses means that players in some cases have probably earned as much in a week as some of the factory workers that pay good money to see 11 players who aren't fit enough to last 90 minutes less than 3 weeks into the season then

With all respect to those who work on a production line I'd say that it's probably a wee bit easier to do that than it is to run around non stop on a hot August night and then be asked to do the same less than three days later.
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Trueblood
Aug 22 2011, 09:49 AM
grumpyoldman100
Aug 22 2011, 09:31 AM
raymondox
Aug 22 2011, 10:23 AM
It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying

Agreed, but those teams didn't have a four and half hour round trip by plane and only getting back to Birmingham at 3.30 am on Friday morning. Add to that the thin squad and the injuries we have we can't be too surprised at the Middlesborough result.

I don't buy this tiredness excuse people keep trotting out

Most teams in the Championship have already played 1 more game than us than, (most have played a league cup game already)

The team may well have not got back till 3.30 Friday, but they would have had the rest of the day off, to recover, then a luxury coach trip up to Middlesbrough on the Saturday and then a relaxing stay in a hotel to continue recovering, all they had to do was be able to last and play a football game for 90 minutes....... nearly 60 hours after arriving back in the UK

How many Blues fans have come back from a 4 hr holiday flight and then gone back into work the next day on a busy production line or any other sort of hard work for an 8 hour day. These tiredness excuses means that players in some cases have probably earned as much in a week as some of the factory workers that pay good money to see 11 players who aren't fit enough to last 90 minutes less than 3 weeks into the season then

so are the people on the production line playing against another team trying to win a game of producing? are they at the peak of their physical condition?

when we are tired and go to work it doesn't make any difference. we aren't working in front of thousands of people trying to beat another team doing the same job as us.

how can you compare playing football to working on a production line. football is a physical sport and tiredness becomes an issue, as it does in any sport.
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curlyminogue
Aug 22 2011, 09:58 AM
Trueblood
Aug 22 2011, 09:49 AM
grumpyoldman100
Aug 22 2011, 09:31 AM
raymondox
Aug 22 2011, 10:23 AM
It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying

Agreed, but those teams didn't have a four and half hour round trip by plane and only getting back to Birmingham at 3.30 am on Friday morning. Add to that the thin squad and the injuries we have we can't be too surprised at the Middlesborough result.

i don't buy this tiredness excuse people keep trotting out

Most teams in the Championship have already played 1 more game than us than, (most have played a league cup game already)

The team may well have not got back till 3.30 Friday, but they would have had the rest of day off to recover, then a luxury coach trip up to Middlesbrough on the Saturday and then a relaxing stay in a hotel to continue recovering, all they had to do was be able to last and play a football game for 90 minutes....... nearly 60 hours after arriving back in the UK

How many Blues fans have come back from a 4 hr holiday flight and then gone back into work the next day on a busy production line or any other sort of hard work for an 8 hour day. These tiredness excuses means that players in some cases have probably earned as much in a week as some of the factory workers that pay good money to see 11 players who aren't fit enough to last 90 minutes less than 3 weeks into the season then

With all respect to those who work on a production line I'd say that it's probably a wee bit easier to do that than it is to run around non stop on a hot August night and then be asked to do the same less than three days later.

no it's not.

truebloods logic is very flawed but i know it's a lot less effort to play two football games in 3 days then work full time on a production line.

the problem is that footballers need to be at the peak of their physical condition to compete, unlike production workers, and the slightest hint of tiredness is a considerable weakness when put against a fresh player.
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ringo182
Aug 22 2011, 10:02 AM
Trueblood
Aug 22 2011, 09:49 AM
grumpyoldman100
Aug 22 2011, 09:31 AM
raymondox
Aug 22 2011, 10:23 AM
It was a good game in Funchal but lets not forget all the championship teams had a midweek game so we haven't played any more football than anyone else. So the reports of a tiring team are somewhat worrying

Agreed, but those teams didn't have a four and half hour round trip by plane and only getting back to Birmingham at 3.30 am on Friday morning. Add to that the thin squad and the injuries we have we can't be too surprised at the Middlesborough result.

I don't buy this tiredness excuse people keep trotting out

Most teams in the Championship have already played 1 more game than us than, (most have played a league cup game already)

The team may well have not got back till 3.30 Friday, but they would have had the rest of the day off, to recover, then a luxury coach trip up to Middlesbrough on the Saturday and then a relaxing stay in a hotel to continue recovering, all they had to do was be able to last and play a football game for 90 minutes....... nearly 60 hours after arriving back in the UK

How many Blues fans have come back from a 4 hr holiday flight and then gone back into work the next day on a busy production line or any other sort of hard work for an 8 hour day. These tiredness excuses means that players in some cases have probably earned as much in a week as some of the factory workers that pay good money to see 11 players who aren't fit enough to last 90 minutes less than 3 weeks into the season then

so are the people on the production line playing against another team trying to win a game of producing? are they at the peak of their physical condition?

when we are tired and go to work it doesn't make any difference. we aren't working in front of thousands of people trying to beat another team doing the same job as us.

how can you compare playing football to working on a production line. football is a physical sport and tiredness becomes an issue, as it does in any sport.

I used a production line as an example that most people may have had experience of (I have worked on Peugeot, BMW and Cadbury's lines and you can come away knowing you have done a 8-12 hour shift. I can assure you) I would have gratefully swapped to play professional football even if it meant playing twice a week if I had got the talent (which I don't). I could have used steel mill or coal mine, or any other real physical work as a better example of real hard graft maybe.

As for 90 minutes of pressure to perform 1 or 2 times a week, what pressure? do they loose money if they perform poorly? How may footballers have suffered breakdowns because of the stress of there job or sacked due to not working to there full potential, compared to normal working people.

Pressure is what the police experienced last week on the streets of London, Manchester and Birmingham. Not having to face being booed for 30 seconds after a poor performance

Football is a physical sport granted and passing, changes of direction, tackling and challenges are involved, but studies show a player on average covers 6-8 miles during a match of which 1/2 a mile is sprinting (sometimes with a ball) the rest is done at jogging or walking pace. a normally fit person can do a 10 km fun run in under an hour. and probably will have done a 40 hour week beforehand with nightly training all year round for these runs as well

I know there is more than this involved in a game of football, but most aspects outside of training 3 times a week, keeping yourself fit, going onto pitch and playing too the best of your ability for 90 minutes up to twice a week, everything else a good manager should do for them so that is all they have to do, which hopefully we have.

I go back to my original point about tiredness and 60 hours recovery, they have done nothing else but travel on a luxury coach and rest since coming back. Surely a player who must be close to his peak of fitness at this stage can recover in that amount of time. I could understand better if we are 40 games into the season?.

In our case if we have such a thin squad, as we have. Is it better to play a tired seasoned professional who can't last 90 minutes after all of 3 weeks and 4 games and 2 x5 hour flights so far, or a raw unused 18 year old who hasn't kicked a ball yet?
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02grapau
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i cant remember the last time we got a result at the riverside
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Aug 22 2011, 01:22 PM
i cant remember the last time we got a result at the riverside

1995 in the League Cup we got a 0-0 draw, then beat them 2-0 at St. Andrew's.
Last win though was 1977, 2-1. Francis got both goals I think.

Middlesbrough is definitely not a happy hunting ground for Blues.
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It's no disgrace but it isnt good either and given we were 1-0 up at half time we should have got something out of the game.

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